Straight shooter and solid guy. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. For those who proclaim I am hoping you remember me! I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. Anyone remember Corwin Preston, from Excel from around 2001 to 2002? The only man in the behavior modification program with the title Psychologist and we werent allowed to talk to him haha So telling. All these rivers are the perfect alternative to the private spring creek fishing on the McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. I remember him singing Good morning, good morning, its time to get up or its a warning. At least, he was the most unlike the other staff members like the cowboy with the mustache who was obsessed with his walkie talkie (that guy was so weird), or Rusty and his older brother strange people, clearly not qualified to help kids. The large amount of faster water is often a bonus when fishing a spring creek since the trout have a bit less time to inspect our flies. Nelson's Spring Creek is approximately 3/4 miles in length. Most of my friends were below A+ grades according to the contract handbook and I had to literally reach out to them and tell them I couldnt speak to them anymore because of their grade like wtf. Professional guide services are a great option to acquaint an incoming owner with the water. I remember you, I believe. Much love and support. Thank you so much. Do you remember if you made level 3 all-stars they would let you make a phone call once a month or something like that, but told you what you could and could not say, and they would talk to your parents before hand as to what could and could not be discussed. but if hes anything like me. The little kid you remember was Cliff Miller, and there was Cody Bradford. It would be priceless to talk to those whom understand. So good to see this page is still active and I, like many others still think about that time in Montana. Boasting 1,209 pristine acres of spring creek fishing, wing shooting, and waterfowl hunting, McCoy Spring Creek Ranch is a trophy ownership opportunity. And of course, because I was Jakes closest friend, I caught the most shit over their escape for withholding information I denied the truth to staff. I was in excel family in 2000. which is why nobody talks about it. (john H, Myles, Eugene..etc) what a trip ANd all of your stories are hauntingly familiar.times and memories i had locked up deep down to forget about i mean what good did gravel pit do? I will ask him. I was good friends with Jenna. The Little Belt Cattle Company Starting a Cattle Ranch by Combining Three Properties. Unfortunately that brought about a lot of abuse at the hands of the staff. I picked a stupid song and was carried over all the people as they basically crowd surf you down the line.. blindfolded and all that. Because when I got home from spring Creek I lost a huge part of my identity I didnt have that free spirit that I had I didnt really fit in with my lifelong friends in the same way. Improvements on the ranch are tailor-made for rustic Montana summer retreats. Your Jackson Hole Vacation starts at Spring Creek Ranch. $140,000. My parents grew wary of them after a few phone calls and a letter I sent to my father using codes and I was pulled after about 7 months of intense madness of a true American teenie gulag. Holy shit I cant believe I found this page. I started hitting my self in the face, like punching my face so hard over and over again. All data about Spring Creek Inn: corporate office address, support phones, working hours, customer complaints, etc. @sirroderickciff345 Blessings to you all. Use your experiences in life to grow and learn. Tom, we couldnt look at girls. I begged for help and they wouldnt help me. Anybody remember that kid Torrey? Trying to find my best friend at the time Tristan!! Hey. The best spring creek fishing in Montana Our world famous spring creek is one of the most sought after destinations by fly fishermen anywhere in the world. I would love to reconnect with some of the girls I knew. Hey bro Im juinor staff Im going to chase after you if you run. I remember the pain I felt when the letters started saying he liked it there and the place was where he belonged. Something like an automatic twelve points a day, minus twenty-five points per consequence, and one-hundred-and-fifty points to get to level two. I was fourteen. I listened to the ladies and the girl for about 1/2 hour. Spring Creek Campground is located in Lewis and Clark National Forest at an elevation of 5,300 feet. Anyone who remembers me please reach out. The next time the Flue rag bitches tried to creep on us, they got completely smashed on. Yeah you must be a staff member hahahahaha. Hey at least big sky had its own washer n dryer lol I hated the box! They are trying to lease the old Diamond Ranch property, but it seems that they are broke. Your friend, Myles- Wisdomfamily1998. My heart felt empty because the program manipulated his parents. Just wanted to share get back to me. Ive known people who have done it. The trap these schools played was flawless to say the least, Ive actually kicked it with some kids afterwards and it is amazing to think people this successful in some cases had to do something so horrid. God this place sucked I was in unity family. but it was better than being a fake ass cheesy junior staff wasnt it. If you dontmake sure you self correct? This was accomplished mainly by talking. I first got some place in Utah. AnywayI truly am proud of you man. Redfin has 44 photos of Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch. I was like a family hero after that. Spring Creek Campground and Trout Ranch 257 Main Boulder Road , Big Timber, MT 59011 Sold RV Park/Campground Details Purchase Method: Cash, New Loan Property ID: 1547446 Posted On: Nov 5, 2021 Updated On: Dec 30, 2022 Property Description Hey Billy, its James from those early daysI think we were in Brightway together and took the same van trip from Utah to Montana. You are better because you made it out and can turn the pain into strength if you make yourself do so. The futility of compliance with a nonsensical, arbitrary set of rules where years of confinement are worth more than good behavior led to daydreams or what they refer to as run plans. Life is good. And all of that sounds pretty bad. The best spring creek fishing in Montana Guest Cabin on the Creek Make your Montana experience unforgettable: Be our guest in this quaint, rustic cabin sitting on the banks of upper Armstrong's Spring Creek. Updated 3,500 sq ft. luxury home with 4 beds, 3 baths, and gourmet kitchen and detached garage 10-acre high-fenced ranch headquarters with barn, sheds, and fruit trees with plenty of fenced space for chickens, goats and gardens Fencing throughout the property, ready for horses and cattle High producing fields ready for production or lease Considered one of the finest luxury equine ranches in the West, Western Ranch Brokers is honored to have represented Copper Spring Ranch as part of an off-market transaction. We arent all in the same league of damaged as a Josh Lambert, but we carry the scars of a severe and pointless trauma perpetrated by those entrusted with our health and safety. It was literally a correctional facility to house unwanted kids. aka looking out the window at you haha. On a side note, in that place the duality of man became very apparent. Why do all Program Staff and Program Robots use the same Weird Capitalization Scheme? Any idea who these sponsors are? The rules that we had to follow so as not to lose a point if a student broke one. I cant believe after all we have been through we now have to deal with this know this. Do you remember me? I made some life long friends. Highway 200 is a backdoor to Seattle and a drug corridor and lots of creeps run that strip because its off the beaten path of I90, less patrolled. I soon learned that I could not call my parents. Break you down, and then build you into who they wanted you to be. He was in Samoa for 22 months his name was josh and he was upper level and was already 18 but he went on a pass and when he confessed that he had sex with his girlfriend ( who he had a 2 year old baby with) and just got dropped back down to level 1. There are so many more facesI cant remember names. He slit his wrists if I remember, but survived. Each cabin was divided into four dormitories. Youre a good man, and always have been. And a guy David Leech (is that Goofy?) What fucking psycho plays tony Robbins at every fucking meal. As I said. The East Gallatin is a technical fishery and spring creek style techniques are often employed. Armstrong Spring Creek is a world class spring creek and a mecca for catch and release fly fishing in Montana. I remember when he was demonized to all hell after he stole the car and escaped with some gangbanger kid. Man I used to huff gas at the motor yard. Im john. We were put through the monotony of their daily brainwash therapy. Certain units include a seating area for your convenience. 2004 SCL was investigated concerning the death of a 17 year old girl byThe Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) resulting in a complaint filed for child abuse and neglect against the school and specifically its directors, Cameron and Chaffin Pullan. $10,975,000. Oh shut up. The cold was punishing and aided their harsh version of therapy. i havent heard the term before. This marine wiuld loveeeeee to meet up with colby. It did not take me long to start having issues with some of the rules and treatment that the students were subject to. I called it my Space Suit because the cold was real and deadly. I couldnt see through the mirror tint on the front door so went in. Contact. He even gave me his T-shirt when I left at the end of 96it was a Petaluma shirt. Fucking preying on everyone else cause the staff gave you a little bone. And it worked in my favor. I had to put my glove next to my skin and let my body heat dry out the glove and I had to keep moving fast to keep my hand warm with my body heat alone. I graduated the program a level 6 and was trainer of the boys off site house. I was there a short time and left two months before my 16th birthday. I am not a Bible-beater, Mormon, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, or fanatic. It is now 2013 and I have been incarcerated in federal prison since early 2007, ironically for felony possession of a fire arm. We actually spent time in the lodge where it was warm and dry. Live well and prosper when you finish your stint. The Seminars were where the True Fruit were, and of you went through them, and didnt see that, then you were Blind or you are Lying to Yourself. Still havent heard from him love to find him one day he was a good partner. So glad this hell-hole was shut down. Doug was indeed the little guy always getting thrown the Hobbit with that big oaf staff member Kayden. This is akin to the argument that it is okay to hit (or rape) a woman if she is asking for it. Luckily I was 17 at my time of imprisonment and only had 10 1/2 months to wait out till my 18th birthday. Were there Shitty Staff Members, Yes. He is too stupid to be evilbut the results are the same. They did not care about the kids. I arrived so fucked up on flowers im the hopes I would die but instead I woke up in hell. I was at Spring. Hid them in the dryer tube ,every Sunday when we had to clean I would grab a pack , smoked them out the bathroom window at night. The bullshit that came out of his mouth was alarming. I think I met you in a seminar where they made us stick stickers on boys and made us think about all the times the opposite sex screwed us over? what about the people that genuinely suffer from ptsd from this school? My upper level family was Inspiration with Miss Amy. Are there any accounts of Chaffin or Cameron molesting kids? Then they finally let me talk to my mother. So for any parent that reads this that thinks about sending there kid off to some place you have no clue whats going on. It was very bad but apparently it had gotten worse. I am writing this from a prison cell and it is being submitted on my behalf by another party who told me about this site. I was going to Spring Creek in Montana and it was really hard having everything taken away from you and then you grow close to your people who are surviving this shit with you and then you find out that everyone is being split up. The Ranch includes 4,417 total acres, of which 3,777 . Her mother would be scared shitless if she knew what possible dangers were out here. I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area and never saw a train in an unpopulated area. Played the hand that i was delt to the best of my ability at the time. I never progressed past level because i had a hard time not looking or talking to the girls. Information and Rates. Here is a picture of my ugly mug from work. I got trench foot which screwed me for life. I was the guy that tried to break out with Jake and Eugene but I didnt make it out the window because Jake made a ton of noise. I was 13 years old and was told was the youngest student there at the time. Made my bed 3-4 times a day. Im doing good. Lot of names I cant remember, but can see their faces. Chugged that whole bottle of Scope. (Morava?) ( A kid who came to the school the month after I did almost lost his toes to frostbite. for Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Home details and zoning from local records, Walkability, biking, nearby amenities near Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, 1110 Swanson Meadows Rd, Bonner, MT 59823, #4 Tract, 201.61 +/- Acres, Helmville, MT 59843, #3 Tract, 160 +/- Acres, Helmville, MT 59843, 21 Tract, Nevada Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843, Home Values Near Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch. Our cabins are what we like to call "OUT OF THE ELEMENTS". I felt desperate and wanted to fix the problem. You know it doesnt make you Look Smart, right? Dude that was me jake and Eugene but I didnt make it out the window in time. Theyd even use former Tranquility Bay students to put on the phone where we were made to talk other parents into agreeing to transfer their kids thereinto a far worse program than they were already in. Any body on here go to camas in 06 trying to reunite I was sent there to finish school caught on to the brain washing and soon after staff that shit is about the only thing I said finally got through to parents after first seminar that happened at spring creek which was only time I saw the main facility but had heard plenty of stories of what happened there.if anybody was around camas in 06 hit me up on facebook. Before that I lost mass amounts of weight because the food was almost inedible. does anyone know what happened to school transcripts? How are you gonna mention doug b4 me man lol. I dont understand it. Me and Mark? I told the attendant to be on the lookout for her and to help her is she gets there. I was in spring creek in 2006, unity group I got kicked out for being disobedient and fighting they sent me to tranquillity bay for 9 months. I have a burning hatred in my heart that I want gone badly. Biscuits and gravy were all the rave until you had it a million and 1 times. One of the worst times, I was quietly sitting on my bunk during hygiene time painting with toothpaste and pen ink (did what I could with what I had). Its been almost 20 fucking years, I still hear that phrase every fucking day. That was what it was before your time. I simply went looking for updates on Spring Creek and was shocked to find this. I think I remember Chelsea. Not another sheep in one of your workshops. There were signs everywhere that said private property and no trespassing. Spring Creek Campground & Trout Ranch Family Fun & Relaxation 257 Main Boulder Road (Hwy 298 S Mi 2.5 ) Big Timber, MT 59011 I www.springcreekcampground.com Reservations: 406-932-4387 Sweet. I was the one that stole the truck and ran away with him. Anyways he could of just walked out of there technically but we shared a bunk and we just waited until the night staff that always falls asleep was there and the staff that was the leader of our cabin (jay bird) I feel so bad because he was the nicest out of all the staff. Whether you had a good experience or not, never discredit the pain of others because you have no idea what those kids had to experience behind closed doors. It talking to my parents I watched countless times as fellow students were beat and neglected in the hobbit there was one student who they sent to the hobbit every day I hope the kids who were abused win there case if this place was still open I would run up in that camp and take shit over I was in respect sept through December, Moderated ? Punishments were abnormal and out of place. I was 18 in may of 02 so I was just going to take my exit. I vaguely remember that if that is you. Plan for your Montana fishing trip. If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. I remember 18 year old activities going to the local grocery and Every one of us buying a fat steak and watching a movie in the trailer. The twins gave me level 3 just so i could go to a seminar and see my mom in hopes that it would calm me down but it only made things worse.. Seans story, 2003 Most of you out there that say it was a prison or cult only say that because your little kids throwing a temper tantrum because you didnt get your way, you didnt get to party late and have sex or take drugs, because you had NO respect for your parents or yourselves..oh and you were aloud to talk to your parents there just not straight away.. Pathfinders with Mile Parr!! Grant I gave you those tats and I drove that van into the store hit me up. I remember getting moved downstairs, but could not remember why. I was failing school miserably, I had no clue what was going on in class because I missed so much school from a staph infection that I got that caused me to need hip surgery twice I had to walk on crutches for two years. I have been helping him put together his story if anyone remembers Brian McLaren from 96 and 97 and would be willing to share what they remember please help me help him. I remember Joshua somewhat. SCL taught me that no matter what I will ALWAYS be at fault. What a fucking shame. He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. Best memories were from meeting the fellow inmates and learning what we could. The place was crazy for sure and did my share of time in worksheets and whatever the hell that place was where you had to lay on the concrete all day.. but honestly I didnt think it was life scarring. Unfortunately your story is very common and many of us who came out of their were actual threats to society where before we were just snotty little bastards. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. I stole and drove the van into Trout Creek one night with 4 or 5 passengers. I was in innocence. Any one that attended these facilities please dont disregard what anyone has to say about it. Take care, good to read your memories cause not a lot of us are from that first year in 96. I believe this is why everything starts to become a blurr after a while. The mental torture they put you through was insane. Bartend and enjoy a Montana adventure! We have Deluxe River, River, Full Hookup, grass and gravel pull thru sites. Enjoy the best spring creek fishing in SW Montana! Jackson Hole Wyoming :: 1 (800) 443.6139 Lodging Spa Activities Dining Meetings & Groups Weddings Wildlife Safaris Media Book Now Packages & Specials Jackson Hole Wyoming:: 1 (800) 443.6139 Lodging Needless to say, he gave Steve hell! I was only 15. I had one of my best friends from 9 years old tell me about 6 months ago that I didnt come back from that place the same. 4th generation owners Daryl & Theresa Smith welcome you to enjoy DePuy Spring Creek, a world-class trout fishery nestled between the breathtaking vistas of the Absaroka and Gallatin mountain ranges in beautiful Paradise Valley south of Livingston, Montana. I still have nightmares where I get sent there and am telling them Im too old to be there but they dont let me go, my parents are still telling me I cant come home. looking back the place cracks me up. Redeem available rewards of your choice. Its crazyIm 34 nowand still, I remember these things. You cant change the past, but the future is wide open. I am totally against peer on peer displine because upper level assholes are corrupt as hell. My step father talked my Mother into sending me here. Josh was a good guy but we share a bad trait and that is a short fuse. John Douglas Russell can trace his roots as a cattleman to his great-great-grandfather. It was winter time and the most snow Ive ever seen. Hi, I was in Serenity 2001-2003 as well. My name is corwin Preston. It was a two day drive to I didnt know where. Propped the magnetic door locks they had, broke the door wide open & ran for my life. I am looking for a few survivors to share their stories with me and help me contribute. There was an aluminum boat somebody had chained up but no paddles so after busting the padlock with a boulder (took about 45 minutes but I finally did it) I went back in the forest and found some branches to use as paddles. And just love them and support them as much as you can through it all.guide them try to understand what there going through. I think these people were a blessing in my life. John Harrigal.only one man ever could be the hairy girl. Thank you. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. Peace out, as Zach would say! They were going to keep me. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1999- 2000. I think the staff knew what I was doing and how I was making it bleed and so they wanted to put me in this position to make me stop. We take care of all the gear and you just sit back and relax after arriving in camp. I hate to say I inflicted violence on other kids to remain in good standing with family fathers etc. It was completely unexpected, I didnt get to say goodbye, and I was permitted to return home like I wanted. Last week during the Youth Foundation parent/child seminar, Chaffin Pullan (who is the new director since Jade Robinson resigned) mentioned taking the kids to Riverview in Montana. MLS# 22110842. The only friend I made there was an upper level named will from Houston Texas (if he ever sees this I just wanted to thank you my nigga and hope u didnt get in trouble because of me). I was put out there with kids coming off drugs and had been in gangs. Stocked Trout pond right out the door with large trout ready to take your f1y! I can relate to everyone here in this page and I can feel your pain. Omg Ian and Jennifer, I totally remember you guys (and maybe others)! Is your name nick? Evil peopleit was the first time I encountered truly evil adults who practiced trickery and manipulation to maintain a yoke of control upon their wayward little piggy banks. I remember one time looking up at the people with me and our face masks all had beards of frost hanging off our faces where our breath had frozen there. Staff worked us like slave labor chopping down trees. I was in quest the night that kid beat the shit out of night staff and tried to escape. He was from Ohio and was there about a year before going to Czech. They moved us to Thomas Creek by the old 18+ girls facility and me and another kid John escaped. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program. Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including the world famous 13,700-foot Grand Teton. She is heading toward Highway 200. i cant find a some others tho, so if you remember me, Janna Bottsford, hit me up on FB. Like practically all of you I was sent to Spring Creek Lodge when I was very young, during an already crucially, incredibly horrific time in my life. Ashleys story, 2004 One of the people was a USA Skinhead who was having and identity crisis. I just heard about his book and I am curious to know what has been said. Im sure your one of the few. A year later I ran out of money and needed to remove my son from the program. My name is Jessica I was in Serenity feoom 2003 to 2004. Please drop a line after you do! I couldnt convince my group of friends to do the same- at that point they couldnt talk to me. It fucked me up more than any amount my hometown could have. Ive seen kids get beat mistreated etc. I got there and saw kids that I thought went home months before or that was said that were being transferred when in fact was kept at this house. . Currently, Cameron runs the Riverview program which is a summer camp with its dorms located on the old Cross Creek Manor property. I didnt do drugs or break any laws, cut myself, or even have sex. Hmmm.. it was a joke. Anyway, hope you guys are all doing good, I think of you all from time to time. Like most I was heading down a rough path in my life and my parents felt something drastic needed to happen before I made choices that could jeopardize my future. I didnt know they got shut down or about the lawsuits until now. Yeah, Hey I was there from 1998 to 2001 Asian kid who dont speak much English at time, anyone remembers me ? SCL wasclosed in 2009 after a dramatic drop in enrollment and a failed attempt to convert part of the facility into an 18+ program called Camas Ranch. I learned a lot but I do not agree on how thing were runned there and i still wonder and hope they dont re open ! They wouldnt let me keep any of my belongings. Lies and more lies. These fools knocked on his door and the guy was like what the fuck do u want in a deep voice and they just apologized said they were looking for one of the students because he is missing and plane is about to take off. it takes time. I was telling him how Im never gonna give up on getting out of there and he helped me come up with a plan. The restored wetland complex provides world class waterfowl hunting and endless wildlife viewing, and the spring creek and Nevada Creek are home to wild and native trout species. Whatever you do, take it out on the Utarded Mormon mafia running these placesnot yourself. haha. There was an older main teacher there who kinda looked like Santa Claushi name was Ken, I think. Justin Harris playing his guitar at night when they dimmed the lights definitely made you appreciate the little things. They talked about getting a translator. Feel free to reach out! Many prestigious local fly shops, guide services, and lodges participated in this business, including Frontier Anglers, the Yellowstone Angler, the Montana Angler, Healing Waters Lodge and the Five Rivers Lodge.
